Do you agree with Pastor Marvin Winans’ stance on not blessing babies of unwed mother’s amongst the congregation of his church?
When the Archangel Gabriel visited Mary and declared unto her that she was called to be the Mother of God, as we see recorded in Luke 1, her response would become the cause of the spilling of a whole lot of ink over the centuries: “How shall this happen, since I know not man?”
No I don’t he’s punishing the child for the parents sins. He’s denying those children their blessings
No i do not agree with this one bit… I don’t believe this makes any sense… if he is going to bless them anyway then why would he not bless them in front of the church… what is he saying to that child that was born out of wedlock? Is that child going to go through life believing that they should take a back seat to people that come from traditional families all because of a mistake made by their parents? It is very silly.,…and typical religious games that have nothing to do with the word of GOD.
I believe he is wrong to deny a child a blessing in front of the church. When Jesus himself was raised by Joseph and some believe was was born out of wedlock. He will receive 10% from the same women who have a child out of wedlock.
I think the church need to stand up for standards if we keep allowing the spirit of perversion to be Incorporated with the power of God then we are on a collision course to hell. To me its just like the church giving baby showers to those unwed mothers, if their friends want to have them a shower fine butit should not be the church, We have enough dishonoring of God as it is, Young and old men and women need to stand for truth not do as my mind pleases when it come to representing God.
Is it about the children – who have not, btw chosen who they were born to or under what circumstances – or is it about the parents’ behavior or choices?
Pastor Winans is following church doctrine. This has been a rule in the Church Of God In Christ for one hundred years. You don’t like it, change denominations.
IF JESUS CAN BLESS A PROSTITUTE IN FROM OF HIS DISCIPLES, GOD AND THE WORLD HOW CAN THIS PASTOR NOT BLESS THIS CHILD IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH….Luke 7:36-50
I think everyone is totally missing the point. What is the purpose of blessing the child in front of the congregation? Regardless of where the child is blessed the child should be blessed. What our pastor does is bless the child but both parents can’t stand up as if they are husband and wife-only one parent. Furthermore when do we start allowing the churches to set the protocol? And parent who was upset knows the church’s stand on sex outside of marriage-so seriously why is she squawking?! It’s not a thing of judging but a principal the pastor is setting and standing by-along with showing folks you can do what you want but it will not be celebrated in my church!
NO, if god is a forgiving god, she is already forgiven, so it is wrong to cast her and her child out and make them feel unworthy!
Yes the man of God has a right to make standards for his church, he is not judging the child nor the mother he is just training his congregation. The child can be blessed by the pastor and the mother as well after some spiritual counseling.
I agree with the pastor and Dee Dee. It is time that folks realize that having a baby out of wedlock is wrong and viewed as SIN.
And yes we all make mistakes and fall short but it’s not judgement when God’s people follow God’s word. In other words if God tells me not to do something and you view it as Judgement that’s on you too. No one should disobey God in order to make others feel accepted.
Also this is why we have sooooo many problems in the black community to bady daddies and NOT enough FATHERS and HUSBANDS
This is ridiculous! The sin is in the act, not the child. This baby had no control of the circumstances that they were created in, so why would he punish the baby. Situations such as this is a great example of why some people don’t get saved and walk with Jesus. The church has become so uptight and holier-than-thou that no one feels welcomed. The mother may have a blazing testimony about who she used to be before she found Christ and no one will hear it because she is being judged by her past. Have they forgotten that they also have a past? The only difference is they don’t have a child to show for it. This is simply SHAMEFUL….
D D McGuire speak as a fool I’m only hoping she’s playing devil’s advocatefor the benefit of the show for her or anyone to suggest the blessing children born out of wedlock in front of his congregation is inappropriate is the same thing as separate but equal for minority! furthermore its not up the pastor to bless anyone last time I check all blessings come from the almighty one hi not some self proclaimed paster man of God not a god.The Bible says past not judgement you cannot enforce one part of the Bible omit the other… that same child except God in his life placing the almighty first in his or her life God will bless the child in front of the world and I believe that includes is church & conversation
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7
So I’m wondering if Pastor Winan’s and the other people (members) who are supporting him without sin. Does stoning apply to every member of the church who has sinned? Does Pastor Winan’s accept tithes and offering from unwed mother’s? Where is the God in this church and this pastor?
The Pastor should just stick to the “GOOD BOOK” and leave the judging to GOD. So many so called Christian’s leaders stands in the “pullpit” on Sunday’s and frown upon the sinners that sits “beneath them”. And the bit about promoting premartial sex doesn’t have anything to do with it. So is Pastor Winan’s saying the child is not worthty of the same blessing>? The pastor simple said to that parent, your child is not worthy of GOD’s blessing in the eyes of the church but not to make you feel bad, I’ll Christian your child but behind a closed door. Something is wrong with that. No matter how you try to make it seem right. All of theses Christian that are willing to follow the Devil/Hypocrites to Hell thinking they are going to Heaven will be in for a rude awakening come Judgement Day.
it’s interesting that the focus is on the single mother and not the father who is probably sitting in those same church pews that the pastor is concerned about. I understand that it is his church and his policy that his congregation have to abide by, but what message are we sending when we as good Christians we are suppose to be helping and teaching those who have made mistakesin the pan. what lesson is to be a learned by not by not allowing the two year old to be a part of the greater ceremony? Are we somehow saying that that mom and child are somehow less than everyone else and they are not deserving of the charitable and loving treatment that everyone else receives.
In 1960 I was the first and only child born out of wedlock that I knew, I was called “hooked nosed bastard” (didn’t know until later what it meant) But check this- my Godfather was the pastor of out church and fulfilled the true godfather role. Where would I have been if he didn’t show me love.
I agree with Pastor Winans. He is the shepherd of that flock and has the right to set the standard in the house that HE oversees. His background and church has a more traditional flavor. If someone wants a different flavor, this America. Go to a different church. The rules in my house may be different than the rules in yours. And I have no right to impose my rules in your house and vice versa.
That is a form of discrimination that will make children feel inferior shame on the pastor
This is totally unacceptable. It is down right un-Christian. I can’t remember the bible passage; wherein it states let ALL CHILDREN COME TO ME, said Jesus.
How dare this man twist the word of God and manipulate and Judge an un-wed mother. This man needs to be re-educated in Christian fundamentals and understand that the only one that can JUDGE ANY BODY is THE MAN UPSTAIRS…. Or a court of law….
This is a woman who wants to teach her child the way of the Lord and his actions can upset and misguide what would be WOULD-FOLLOWERS – WOULD GOD ABIDING…
It’s a shame, really… I would be guetto pissed if I were her…..
Jesus was conceived out of wedlock. Is it the belief of this pastor that Jesus could also not be blessed in his church?
Really Dee Dee! You’re good with not teaching our children at home because society teaches them many other negatives! There are many many good young men and women everywhere. You don’t just teach yours, you guide them throughout life!
Damn shame…ostracizing ass…way to go
Doug Doug Doug Doug Doug,
Lawd have mercy. I disagree with his approach to segregating these children. He seems to be judging, and if this is a rule in his church, then I would love to see all the By-Laws they have and what the church’s mission is. Here are my thoughts…
1) He is sending the wrong signal to the kids. He will run into one smarty art lil joker that will want to know why he can’t be blessed at the same time his buddy Ezekial and Jedediah are being blessed. What the hello is he gonna say then – ‘if ya mama or ya daddy would have kept there fast ass in the house, you wouldnt be here to even ask me that question. What about kids who are raised by a grandparent, or perhaps they are a product of sexual assault.Either way, one of two things will happen – They will be left thinking something is different about them. And many kids associate different, with wrong.
2) What did the parents have to do – fill out a dang application for getting their child blessed? What, he handing out blessings on vouchers now? We gotta slip him a lil sumpn sumpn extra in the offering for the children to be celebrated in front of the entire loving congregation?
3) Does he have separate vacation bible school for kids born out of wedlock as well? He really should state why he requires this separation. Does he plan to have a group counseling for the parent? What if the child was born out of wedlock but his parent is remarried now?
The bible says (don’t quote me on this) ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’. If that aint the pot calling the kettle black.
Is he trying to make everyone mad? If thats the case, he can cut to the chase and just say ‘ya mama!’
One last thang. DeeDee, I am gonna need you to not say their is an epidemic in the black community of children born out of wedlock. There are way more white children born out of wedlock, just like there are way more white people on welfare and collecting foodstamps, and way more white kids buying ‘gangster rap’. But all of that is a horse of a different set of stripes.
1. Would you Bless a child who is born to a married woman who husband is not the child’s father?
2. Was Jesus’s Father married to his Mother?
First of all, I think DeeDee needs to stop beating people up on the radio about this issue. I think her position along with the pastor’s, is very self righteous and wrong. Who died and left you all as judge and jury? What the pastor is doing is called discrimination…period! What if a pastor said that he was only going to bless the white children in front of the congregation? That he would instead bless the black children behind closed doors because he didn’t agree with “black people being Godly.” The white folks who enslaved blacks, claimed to be God fearing and religious people and used the Bible to justify slavery and all of their acts of discrimination. What if the pastor said that he was not going to bless the gay brothers and sisters in front of the congregation? Because he doesn’t agree with homosexuality, so they are not worthy of that blessing in front of the congregation. What if the pastor refused to bless women in front of the congregation? And instead said, that he would do that behind closed doors because men are the head of the church in the household. You can easily see the discrimination in those examples but how can you not see the discrimination in the example of Pastor Winans? BeeBee allegedly beat his wife… Would the pastor not bless his own brother in front of the congregation because he’s an alleged wife beater? The pastor is a leader – he is not God, therefore, he is not the ultimate judge or jury for anyone! Discrimination, especially from a pastor who claims to be a messenger of God is clearly, wrong! If he is truly a Christian, he is contradicting the doctrines of the Christian faith. Jesus took in everybody and sacrificed for everyone… he did not discriminate. End of story…
Don’t agree. Is this to punish the parent or child who doesn’t have a choice how he or she comes into this world.
If Jesus let the “fatherless boy” approach him No matter who was around or how many other more important things he had to deal with why it’s this “man of God” is not able to do the same? If this is how he is going to do things then I’d like to know if he is only blessing those of baptized parents. Any child born out of wedlock who is sitting in a church with ho’s or her parent is a representation of a parent who is at least trying to repent of their past sins. Also, someone needs to remind him that God forgives on a daily basis and No matter what someone does they are blessed by God simply by being able to make up in the morning…..
How do the past the field when people judge of those black people just his brother when he found out he was gay. did he stop praying for him? We are so quick to judge like we are perfect. The young lady that had the baby out pf wedlock will answer to god and so will the pastor who turned her away. Only God can JUDGE HER.The kid no choice im the matter
Let me say that his way of thinking is the same thought in Christ time when the judged him. And he died because of such. And 2 his mother Mary was not married he was conceived , but was a gift from God . To change the thoughts of man and his beliefs. And he is making this all about himself and not Gods belief for all his children to blessed and baptized in his name
So does the Pastor acknowledge any single individuals in church? Does it depend on if they’ve had sex, when, where, with whom? What if mom was raped? So the “WHOLE CONGREGATION” are “MARRIED WITH CHILDREN”? IT’S A SHAME BECAUSE MORE THAN LIKELY EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THAT CHURCH CAN REVEAL A REASON FOR THEMSELVES TO BE “SHUNNED” BY “THEIR OWN CHURCH”! PPL ALREADY HAVE A HARD TIME TESTIFYING, “IN THEIR CHURCH”, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS WHO ARE “GOING THROUGH” DIFICULT or HARD TIMES!
I feel that she has a choice when it comes to choosing a Church home, the practices or policies have been around way before she became a member. The congragation continues to allow the policy so, its not an issue for the church and there are plenty of unwed mothers that attend. She needs to find a Church home that fits her, not come into a Church and demand that they change to suit her.
As a pastor with similar conviction about sin as it is stated in the scripture I regretfully must disagree with the position that Pastor Winans has taken. The new born baby is innocent as it relates to it’s conception. However that baby is definately in need of the blessing of God. The parents sinned by fornication but nowhere will you find pregnancy listed as sin its simply evidence of sin just as obesity may be evidence of gluttony. We pray the blessing of over the fat body so why not over the little baby?
The Bible says we were all born in sin & shapen in iniquity that includes those born in wedlock as well.
No!!! Disagree!!! Accept if he mean that he would performed the service aside from the congregation being present. Other than that he does not have the authority to bless anyway accept it comes from God. It is the policy, rules, and regulations the put people in bondage who thinks the suppose “man or clergy” will be humble and truth the “Calling of God.” If we have it go Biblical, Jesus was born out of wedlock, God blessed and use him. No comparison I know, the child is innocent before God and had nothing to do with what the man and woman did apart from being obedient. So now the child grows up with a complex about church and people who say they are of God and not. People who show no real mercy, as if to say, “he/she who is without sin cast the first stone.”
If he, brother pastor, was teaching the things of Jesus that He got from the Father, will and obedient, righteousness and that wish pleases God, that question would not be a topic of discussion. : )
He needs to take Michael Jackson advice & look at the “MAN IN THE MIRROR “.JUST SAYING IN MY DEDE VOICE.
Marvin Winans need to take Michael Jackson advice and look at the “MAN IN THE MIRROR ” IN MY DEDE VOICE.
I think that Pastor Winan is putting forth an effort to try to lead the people back to the ways of God because we are not suppose to have sex without being married and if more people followed the law of God then there would not be so much mama drama, unwed mothers, child support to more than one woman( men). All that,” why buy the cow if you can get the milk free.” If it’s looked at closely aren’t you buying the milk = (child support) and the cow is free because they are free from you. He has to set a standard for his congregation and try to lead them back to the ways of God. God said for us to be in this world but not of this world. Meaning we are in the world to live and glorfiy him not to take on the wrong doing of this world. He said if we keep his commands he (God) would bless us. God will do the same for all his children. No matter how they was conceived.We are all God’s children. I understand what Pastor Winan is saying, but he is just a man. All the blessing come from God. Can’t nobody take from you what God has for you. Not even Pastor because if he withhold from you what God has for you he will have to answer to God. Pastor said that he was not going to do it in front of his congregation, but he will still do it. Because he know he can’t hold back anything God has for you or children in this matter.
Marvin winans baptized my son 18 years ago . My now wife and I were unmarried.
The church should support family in any and every construct, just as his church did
When it was discovered that he was banging his associate pastor and his secretary.
Rick from Southfield…..
I usually don’t post any opinions but today’s topic touched a nerve with me. First of all, these ministers,pastors and priest don’t know what their roll is, they are supposed to be servants to the people, not have people serve them. Second, the church does not belong to Pastor Winan, the church belongs to god, the congregation is the church, not that building, therefore he can’t come up with his own rules, regulations and policies to supersede what god has already set up. I’m not a bible buff but I’m pretty sure it states judge not, and the sins of the father are no longer visited upon the children. So why does he feel the need to shun this child because his mother fornicated? And if its a matter of her not being married, she can get married tomorrow to any body and not the child’s father, so will Pastor Winan bless the child then? How many more examples do we need. When Mary Magdelene was caught in the act of adultery, the messiah said,” those without sin cast the first stone” and when he looked up everybody dropped their rocks and left. The only thing he said to Mary was, go your way and sin no more, he didn’t go around town and continue to point her out to people. It just seems to me, that when a man wants to come up with their own rules, all it does is just create hypocrisy and confusion. Prime example, the roman catholic church and priests and nuns not getting married. The bible stated that the priest had to marry and procreate to carry on the lineage of the priesthood. Now the roman catholic church has created a mess and are paying out billions of dollars because they tried to take away what was placed in mankind, which is the desire to come together and procreate. Now they have a legion of pedophiles that they try to hide by sending them to other churches. When are we going to realize that mankind is flawed, we will always fall short. Therefore, stop adding extra rules that you know you can’t follow. And anyway we don’t need to look to physical man to bless us.
Wow. I can’t believe it
I agree with Pastor Winans as I am an Elder in the same grand oh church of God in Christ. We have gotten away with setting and developing Holistc standards here on earth. We have become people that everything is ok and let God judge but God calls pastors and overseers to teach and direct the flock, everybody wants to do what they want without any problems and not have correction, judgement belongs to the Lord but correction is for pastors and elders to help the flock not receive Gods judgement its time out for letting everything go its time for true holiness living, without it we can’t please God that is the word not opionon but fact. Listen no other place in life we can tell those in authority posittion what to do but we feel we can voice that opionon in the lords house.
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